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FormulaC
QUOTE(Scoz @ Jun 19 2005, 10:02 PM) *
I was working so I missed it. It sounds rather farcical though, so I'll see if there are highlights on later.

warm up lap is about as exciting as it gets..

oh, the two ferraris nearly coming together was a moment too.. then the chequered flag, early night now tongue.gif
FormulaC
QUOTE(Hook @ Jun 19 2005, 09:43 PM) *
You're missing the point though.

Irrespective of whether putting in a chicane would be perfect, the teams WANTED to put a chicane in. You can think it's simple to dismiss it, or simple to dismiss the tyres would be a huge performance drop, but the teams decided to do it. All 9 teams decided it was the best thing to do, the teams with the experts, the teams with the sponsers, the teams with the drivers, the teams who know what they're doing.

We as spectators do not, and that includes you, FormulaC, SamG, Alex and myself. The teams know what they're doing, and they were trying to their best, as were Michelin. And they were thwarted by the FIA and Ferrari, at every stage.

i have to agree with that. the teams all wanted to race, who wouldnt.

im very surprised that ferrari backed down on the motion, and i can only feel that its revenge for the michelin runners not supporting them in spain, or at least, thats what itv was spouting earlier. either way, safety at the fore, revenge shouldnt matter. michael schumacher is often vocal on safety issues, and on racing, i guess he didnt care today if the others raced or not. maybe he didnt. but in the interests of safety and good sportsmanship, im not happy with how ferrari couldnt not swallow the chicane pill. its just another corner, and i mean its not likely to increase tyre wear significantly, nor adjust setup too great either. the only difference it would make would be on race strategy, and add a few seconds to the laptime, but ultimately complicate pre-determined race plans...

eitherway, 90% of the teams supported the motion, i guess ferrari and their own our own wagon went out for a sunday drive for easy points, and to hell with anyone else.. its not sport.

the teams know what they are doing, and its not overly complicated either. someone summed it up earlier on television, that grown mature adults could not come to an agreement over something so simple as this.
Chris T
For the life of me I can't work out what was so wrong about the chicane idea.
James302
I'd hate to see what would happen on the first lap with a new chicane that the teams had never seen before. And who's to say that would have fixed Michelin's problem?

As I said on RSC (we have a 330+ post topic about this), I blame Michelin for dropping the ball. Bridgestone had no problem with their tires.

I come from a racing background. I had one incident where I lost a left rear tire and slammed the wall. Had I known the clip-ring that held the tire on was going to fail, I never would have strapped myself in that car. But I wouldn't expect my competitors running a different setup to do the same thing.
DĒn
QUOTE(James302 @ Jun 20 2005, 07:55 AM) *
I'd hate to see what would happen on the first lap with a new chicane that the teams had never seen before. And who's to say that would have fixed Michelin's problem?


Clearly the teams were ok with it though,since 9/10 teams wanted it.
Barn
Perhaps Ferrari knew exactly what would happen if they vetoed the chicane.
DĒn
QUOTE(Barn @ Jun 20 2005, 09:10 AM) *
Perhaps Ferrari knew exactly what would happen if they vetoed the chicane.


You mean with regards to their 1,2 win? ermm.gif
Barn
Yup.
DĒn
QUOTE(Barn @ Jun 20 2005, 09:47 AM) *
Yup.


That's what the cynic in me suspects, but if they did.. it's disgusting behaviour sad.gif
Chris T
QUOTE(James302 @ Jun 20 2005, 07:55 AM) *
I'd hate to see what would happen on the first lap with a new chicane that the teams had never seen before. And who's to say that would have fixed Michelin's problem?
Michelin said. The bank caused the car tyres to heat up, causing them to fail. The chicane would of put less pressure on the tyres, so they'd be fine.
Fatsie
All stone-trowhing and name-calling aside, what upsets me the most is the audience !!

I can understand they are p*ssed, some have spent a good deal of money to go to the race.

But what do you think can happen when an F1 picks up a can of beer on the tyres at 320kp/h ?? Rubens hit a plastic water bottle, thats only plastic. A metal container can easily, certainly at those speeds, rip a tyre to schreds....causing it to burst and the car spinning of, perhaps hitting a wall !

I understand the frustration, but is it worth potentially killing people over ?! The people caught on tape trowhing stuff should be taken to court for attempted manslaughter (or a similar offence).

If I were calling the shots I would have cancelled the race after seeing a few beercans being trown on the track.
Rikki
For crying out loud.

I hope they show the middle finger and make their own sport. It's ridiculous.
DĒn
QUOTE(Rikki @ Jun 21 2005, 03:21 PM) *
For crying out loud.

I hope they show the middle finger and make their own sport. It's ridiculous.


I really can't believe it, saw that story this morning before I left for work, and it just disgusted me.
FormulaC
QUOTE(Hook @ Jun 20 2005, 09:52 AM) *
That's what the cynic in me suspects, but if they did.. it's disgusting behaviour sad.gif

it wouldnt surprise me if thats why they did it. in 2002, at the austrian GP, rubens barrichello, was much faster than schumacher all weekend. he took pole for the start and lead much of the race, but team orders in ferrari had rubens move over at the end of the race (last corner), to allow schumacher victory.

that event had boos from the crowd.

QUOTE(Alex Duggan @ Jun 21 2005, 02:42 PM) *

i can understand where the FIA come from on that issue, but the race was the way it was under grounds of safety. i cant understand how someone can compare the quality of a sport against safety, were lives were put in danger..

*thumbdown FIA*
Rob_BCFC
What did the F.I.A. seriously expect the seven teams to do? They couldn't race because of the tyre problem, and if they had raced and just gone slow around the banked corner, that would have been equally dangerous. The F.I.A. have really screwed up here, as well as Michelin (although they tried as hard as possible to help). In my opinion, Formula One would be better off without Ferrari as well, because they are so arrogant. Ferrari are the team that brought the sport into disrepute, by refusing a chicane. If they hadn't, the race would have gone ahead as usual. And because of the rules, the F.I.A. had to stand by the them. Rules are rules.

I am only 13, but I am a huge fan of Formula One and I have studied the sport all the way back to the 1950's. But this seems to be possibly the most pathetic and poor show for the world's most expensive sport.
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