did i read that blog correctly? that nexus is back burner and not being worked on anymore?

im sooooo screwed if so...

soooooooooooooo screwed....

This is why they said do not use this beta software on a production site. They never actually committed to releasing it and why your site is now showing an error.

Edit: Typo

OMG This sucks.. I just spent over 72 hours converting all my articles in the cms manager to plain html to find out that im f#cked

It's never a good idea to go live with BETA software, especially one that has a set expiration date.

I'm sorry, but in my opinion, all of your wounds are totally self-inflicted for using Nexus in a production environment.

When they say they'll work on Nexus more than IPB 3, people complain. Now they dedicate more resources to IPB 3, and people still complain.

thats not completely the whole story or point, my site was never live with the beta product, the only way to test a beta product, is to use it. whats the point in installing it, clicking around for 15 minutes and thats it? after "using" it to actually build a real website, myself and a few others had a handful of feedback and asked a lot of questions, at which time we were asked to give as much feedback as possible and try it out to the fullest to give true real life feedback, kinda like a "hey we really need feedback from people using this is a true environment, we really appreciate it the more feedback the better" type scenario was presented. so i spent a large amount of time using the product to its fullest, and a few weeks ago all systems were go still with IP, like a "its almost go time, thanks for all the help" type thing, then there was expiration, then silence... then a blog announcement of its production essentially being shelved.

some of us weren't just over zealous net geeks building sites on dreams and delusion of a picture perfect launch and magical product and everyone skipping around in meadows holding hands.

but not everyone's situation is the same and it hardly encourages someone with no knowledge of the real situation to wag their web finger at others knowing little to nothing about the true scenario.


im not mad at IP for any reason. im not mad i spent so much time on it, ill certainly use the product whenever its released, but some high hopes and man hours were put into something, and now im stuck behind the 8 ball and starting from scratch... months of work is gone. months of time, preparation, and even money spent on customizing some modules to work in nexus was spent, afterall 99 times out of 100, rleasing 7-8 Betas and months of public testing and troubleshooting leads to a RC release or at least some sort of usable release. even if youll be required to purchase the FINAL release at some point, just like IPB, it was free or at least real cheap at first.. and publicly developed into a fantastic community product. and cost $170.

my needs were/are simple, and the simplicity coupled with the power and expandability made Nexus IDEAL at just about ANY cost. as it would flawlessly grow with the site. even if its release was 2 years away, a simple public RC or unexpired beta would be nice. as it worked rather well as it was, for most uses.


i hate to ramble on and sound bitter. im not at all, just disappointed and a little frustrated with the situation im in, i should have had a backup plan. there is really no point to the "thats what ya get for actually testing out a beta" responses. it really ads nothing to the topic.


i cant wait for IPB3 or nexus or any of the products to come out, its all exciting stuff i can use....just thrown for a loop ...

not everyones situation is the same.



and its perfectly fine to be disappointed after being excited about a product and it not coming out..... if no one was excited about the release there wouldnt be much point creating it in the first place..

FNNSports - Your situation is quite understandable and we're sorry for any setbacks this may cause.

Just to be clear, we're not saying IP.Nexus will never be released. The community line has been growing by leaps and bounds as of late, so it makes sense to focus all available resources on that at present. Naturally, one could argue that the obvious solution is to bring on additional developers to focus specifically on IP.Nexus. When IPD/IP.Nexus began three years ago, the CMS market was virtually non-existent as were billing/support systems that weren't hosting centric. Things are much different now and we need more time to evaluate IP.Nexus' position in the marketplace and adjust its focus if and as necessary, before committing further resources to it. Yes, there have been immeasurable resources put into IP.Nexus to date, however, once you release and sell a commercial product, even a few copies, you are committed to its development and support. We will reevaluate after the community line has received its next major update later this year. We of course do not wish to see wasted resources any more than you do.

i appreciate the comments, i understand your situation as a company completely. I have enjoyed all of the products I have purchased from IP over the years, Nexus was a perfect fit for a few large projects I have been working on publishing, just disappointed to see it set aside (for now at least). It is almost too good of a fit. I have spent the last few days sifting through other CMS products, and nothing really fits. As crazy as it sounds, it would likely cost around $5,000 to get all of the features and easy functionality I had in Nexus into any other CMS. As SAD as it sounds, i may actually shelf my own project at this point. Being seasonal around sports seasons I have zero chance to get it finished for this NFL year, so i have 12 months until launch now. as I was "done" with the site in nexus. I feel kinda silly "pouting" about something not being released, starting over just seems like an impossible task.

anyway. thanks for taking the time to respond, It is appreciated.

And if anyone wants to go ahead and un-expire my copy of nexus, I would be ok with that too... i wont tell ANYONE.

I'm holding you to that.

In defense of those that spent time testing Nexus and started working on sites that took advantage of its features, until today, there was no indication that the product would be postponed or cancelled. In fact, quite the opposite. It was actually starting to look as if it was near release. While I can understand Invision Power wanting to focus on IPB, it is very frustrating having waited so long, only to find Nexus end up like Vectura and the many other shelved products.

Now I am going to have to look for another system, and to be honest, everything else out there is a let down after using Nexus.

While I understand FNN what your saying and agree to a point about the only real way of testing I would have hopefully had a backup just in case. I did have a project right up Nexus's avenue but I was and am waiting for a RC release with no expiry or a full release before proceeding because I didn't want to be in the boat with paying customers.

Might be a good time to open a ticket to sales and ask them to give you the benefit of the moment and give you a copy of the beta with a revised expiry date. (Maybe try and get them make your site (like the resources site) a project site for the nexus application specifically for full on testing.)

And for those who simply screwed around with Nexus on localhost or in a private directory, building sites and such, should not be upset at all whatsoever, except for the fact that Nexus is postponed and that fact alone, which is obviously and understandably a disappointment to all. The only saving grace is knowing that IPB 3.0 will be released that much sooner.

If you're upset because you lost data, or your site is down, or whatever else, I can say nothing other than get over it. I mean, really, how could you honestly expect what you created in an unsupported beta version be able to be used live at a later (or even current) date?

Exactly...

I personally never started building a site around it for that very reason, so I agree with you in many ways. All I am saying is that I can understand the point of view of those that did (of course they knew they would probably have to make a lot of changes when the final came out, and risked loosing data, but the essence of what they were doing had a point).

There are obviously substantial costs to Invision Power in canceling the product at this point (development time, resources and high risk that future pre-announced products won't be taken seriously - think Nexus, Vectura, Connect, the file manager (can't remember if it had a name) etc), so I'm sure they spent a lot of time thinking about this. My frustration simply comes from having waited so long only to find it effectively cancelled.

i think that the IPS need atleast one year to release the IP.Nexus because the current Nexus is very very poor , you can not compare it with any other billing or hosting mangment ,
IPs stuff must learn alot from other systems.

I've read the mutterings in this thread and i agree with the people that say ips has really let down their customers here. I agree with all the people saying that oh you shouldn't have made a live site with beta software because well that correct. BUT i was going to use nexus at my company and we'd put months of planning into place working with marketing directors, seeking funding approval from the finance dept, organising a plan of action for the product as well as setting up beta's for our support staff to try out the features in it. Then many meetings had to be organised with the various department managers to get approval to go forward with this system. We of course never touched the beta but many man hours and money was spent organising as planning stage doesn't happen overnight and isn't free especially in a large organisation environment. Of course with our planning we did have a backup and so fortunately we can go with that but it is lacking alot of features so i must add those in which will mean we have to push the deadline back for the release of our support area. Time is money as they say so if ips try to say that doing this has cause no cost or problems for people and if it has its their own fault i think you'll find your greatly wrong.

The second argument is that focuses on ipb will generate more income, this is wrong. i already own a ips license so i won't be buying another so they will generate no extra income from me and alot of people are in the same situation as they already use ipb so already buy licenses. The nexus would have brought in a new load of customers buying a separate product. My company will no longer be buying nexus as it will fall beyond our deadline and we i wll buy a alternative product, train our customers and staff on that and this is a costly and long process so even when nexus does come out we won't be buying as the cost of retraining and changing our look that our customers and staff are used to would be unacceptable.

In all honestly, why would you even waste your time with that.. It's pretty obvious we wouldn't see Nexus hit final at least till Q4 2008 or later, and using an encoded beta copy of software live ready to be upgraded any time a new beta is released is stupid.

I'm not mocking IPS for pushing the date is further back, but nobody gets that the use of the betas are not to launch your website with, but to test whether for bugs or to see if you're interested in the software/product, because if you can't afford Nexus, you're stuck with an expired copy in the end.

Not to get off topic, but @Twisted Gamer: In what universe is your avatar even remotely appropriate for a public forum? I can see your nipple. There are other places to advertise your services, such as the local red light district.
Edit It disappeared.. conspiracy!

Back on topic, the issue here is that most people here aren't looking at this decision from a futures standpoint, but from 'hey Im a customer, and Im going to get my IPB3 faster!'

IPS just sunk four years of money and resources into a product that isn't going to see the light of day for either another year, or ever. IPB3 will get a faster release, but the market is going to shift again, customer outlook will change, and Nexus will have to adapt yet again. I don't have access to the betas, but from what I can see, it's a stable, solid product already, so the decision to shift resources confused me.

how can you test for bugs without actually trying out the software? if people are finding bugs by installing and clicking around in the menus for 25 minutes, there probably shouldnt even be a beta at that point. with cost perhaps not being a factor for some, once the upgrade trail became available it makes a LOT of sense to actually try the software out, and use it under your normal conditions. live or not depends on your site popularity and risk involved i suppose. but until i actually publish pages use the content blocks and rss feeds and so on, what an i looking for bugs in? and to make phony pages with fake nonsense content blocks seems like an AWFUL large waste of time. no?



i kind of agree, i cant imagine they will give up on the project at this point, but why have two groups of customers complaining instead of just one small trial group? there was a much larger voice of "forget nexus i was IPB3!!" than "yea, we think nexus is cool, we will probably buy it" so it makes sense. I cant wait for the final release whenever it may be. sadly for me, i cant imagine switching to IPB3 until next year anyway, i run mostly NFL related sites, and a major upgrade like that during the season seems like a bad plan with a handful of revenue at stake. so while im excited for IPB3 as well, id rather be sittin on a live nexus. but im in a vast minority.

ANYWAY thanks to all who responded with something worth actually reading, and to those who spend thier time attempting to pass out web-moral-beta lashings because people actually tried the beta product, you might want to look into a new hobby, or at least a more productive one.

Thanks to everyone at IPS as well.

I agree with your point of you have to use the software in a live environment and actually do stuff to test it out. I don't see how you would get a feel for Nexus if you didn't atleast start doing things with it. I was planning on using this for a clients sites, that would eventually span a large network, since board is currently being used and soon will be expanded from the trial site. I was pushing Nexus because it does everything the client wanted, web site, billing and sales, support, and it plugined into the board. No frills or extra stuff we need to link up, unfortunately this has caused an sharp turn in my original plan that I had been developing and budget... but never the less I had a backup and we have already deployed a stable site that will last, although eventually I will switch to Nexus when its released and if it still suits our needs since it seemed the best option.

Now for me personally heck no I will no use Nexus, its not practical and I don't have the income nor do I want to "waste" money on it since I could easily use different pieces of software combined to archive the same result. Its like me buying enterprise licenses of software for one computer, I simply wouldn't need all of them, as with Nexus its not practical and would be foolish for me to deploy for such a small site.

I understand and agree with IPS's reasoning for currently hitting the pause button, because if they are putting all this effort into Nexus it should come out to fit the market currently and in the future. Although scrapping the project I would say its extremely foolish since it does have a revolutionary back end although maybe targeting two markets (enterprise and small / medium business) with different license plans and support options would be a better approach that suits maybe average joe web consulting and the world wide bank of joe. Same software just different things maybe bundled with it, ect.

As for the people saying "they told you so" find another topic to trash people. If you didn't get your elbows into the software then I don't see how you would find bugs or see if its right to use, ect. Yes I installed it and poked around, and found bugs it was boring but it was also part getting a feel for the areas. Later I actually started playing around with it and trying to skin or "plug in" a theme, here and there saying would this fit this client or what could I do... ect.

I would rather see it delayed but with UPDATES or blog postings... so we know its not lost. I do have to say FNN's Nexus installation was the most customized and heavily worked on out of any I've seen so far... and was amazed at what he was doing.