idav
Aug 19 2008, 04:07 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26271240/QUOTE
Researchers at the University of Wisconsin at Madison looked at a random sample of 2,000 chat room posts about "World of Warcraft" to see what the players were discussing. The research found the game encouraged scientific thinking.
Makes sense to me, I mean has anyone ever actually seen the DPS excel docs? Maximizing DPS output involves a lot of mathematics and scientific thinking, and hey well looky-here-whuddayaknow, that's how many bugs are found in combat mechanics. [digress]Science seems to have this hankering to make inaccuracies obvious and corrected...I wonder what that's about?[/digress]
If only sitting in a chair for 8 hours a day would help your BMI...
Rikki
Aug 19 2008, 04:11 PM
i play wow alot and i think its gr8 it has def made me smrter i dont go 2 skool i just play wow so it def makes me smart.
Alεx
Aug 19 2008, 04:11 PM
Charles
Aug 19 2008, 04:14 PM
The Light can only bring good.
Josh Harris
Aug 19 2008, 04:15 PM
QUOTE (Rikki @ Aug 19 2008, 12:11 PM)

i play wow alot and i think its gr8 it has def made me smrter
i c wut u did thar. lulz l2p nub. kkthx
roflmao
Lındsey
Aug 19 2008, 04:17 PM
QUOTE (Josh Harris @ Aug 19 2008, 12:15 PM)

i c wut u did thar. lulz l2p nub. kkthx
roflmao
BASHERS33
Aug 19 2008, 05:42 PM
Every game makes people smarter in some ways.
Alεx
Aug 19 2008, 05:52 PM
I fail to see how Kirby falls into that category :-)
BASHERS33
Aug 19 2008, 06:06 PM
Probably would help some sort of skill. lol
By the way some things can be so freaky. For example playing a racing game and then playing guitar hero makes the notes seem much slower on guitar hero. or playing expert mode then moving down to hard mode. Sometimes it is so freaky.
Josh Harris
Aug 19 2008, 06:13 PM
Hand eye coordination and your brain receptors or something of the sort. I understand what they're saying, in my head, but I can't explain it without sounding idiotic .. so I dare not try. lol
idav
Aug 19 2008, 06:22 PM
They're not just talking about hand-eye. Not in WoW at least. They're talking about the problem solving skills that give you an edge in this game. It's kinda funny too, in my old guild there were several doctors....I think one of them was in school to become a laparoscopic surgeon too!
Josh Harris
Aug 19 2008, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (idav @ Aug 19 2008, 02:22 PM)

They're not just talking about hand-eye. Not in WoW at least. They're talking about the problem solving skills that give you an edge in this game. It's kinda funny too, in my old guild there were several doctors....I think one of them was in school to become a laparoscopic surgeon too!
Yea, I was replying to Basher there mainly... Probably should use the reply button more often.

lol
Fusic
Aug 19 2008, 07:08 PM
I agree.
It even helps you practice basic math skills.
Say you need to get mining up, the average WoW person will sit there and go "So I need X amount of mining. At this level it will be this much mining to get 1 point, add that up, it will take about this many mining rocks to achieve my goal."
Plus with this like Atlas Mods where it tells you the Drop Rates you are most likely to find out how long it will take to acquire the item if you are continuously killing that monster.
Morrigan
Aug 19 2008, 07:20 PM
Why do you think they make games to learn or kids learn best from games.
Chris T
Aug 19 2008, 08:25 PM
Any good game should challenge your problem solving skills IMO, force you to figure things out, try new techniques etc. That's certainly a type of intelligence.
Saviah Wildlife
Aug 19 2008, 08:57 PM
Hmm, Wisconsin.
FIGURES
Michael Merritt
Aug 20 2008, 05:01 AM
I can see why some people would dismiss these kinds of findings. Video games have long had the stigma of "rotting your brain."
For some games, perhaps this is true. And certainly video games alone don't make a complete education. Yet, you don't win a match in a game like WoW by dumb luck alone. It takes problem solving.
A complete education isn't regurgitating what's found in textbooks, since they're often wrong, anyway. I can't tell you how depressed I've become sometimes, particularly with history, when I've found out that what I learned as a kid either wasn't the whole story, or was completely wrong.
A complete education also necessitates learning the skills of life, of which problem solving is one.
Rikki
Aug 20 2008, 01:52 PM
When I first started playing WoW, I took it as a click and kill type thing. I didn't realise how much calculation and strategy goes into it in later levels. Now I'm sure it's possible to play without caring about those (although that surely limits your capabilities in the game), but if you do care about them, and play with your figures to get the most out of your stuff, I think it can only be good for education.
It has to be balanced against those who don't actually socialise at all in real life, and play wow instead. I'm not one of these people that assumes if you don't enjoy clubs and parties and alcohol there must be something wrong with you, but I also don't think it's healthy to have no face-to-face interaction with a real person either. It's definitely a balance.
Saviah Wildlife
Aug 20 2008, 02:12 PM
QUOTE (Saviah Wildlife @ Aug 19 2008, 03:57 PM)

Hmm, Wisconsin.
FIGURES
Wow, poor attempt at a joke. Even sober I sometimes post idiotic things that aren't funny.
Anyway, sorry for that.
But yes I'm in Wisconsin
zigs
Aug 20 2008, 04:21 PM
No... WoW makes you lose the ability to communicate with people in real life
Lindy
Aug 20 2008, 06:40 PM
Sure, it may challenge the mind. I have to wonder though, does the benefit of mental stimulation really outweigh the real-world social distance and awkwardness gaming creates for many?
Intelligence means little if you never leave the house -
idav
Aug 20 2008, 06:46 PM
Good point. And I'd say wow promotes never leaving your house more than anything else.
BlakeC
Aug 20 2008, 06:51 PM
There is a lot more social interaction than my good friend Lindy here realizes.
Taken from here:
http://harvardbusinessonline.hbsp.harvard...._issueid=BR0805QUOTE
When IBM commissioned Seriosity to study leadership in games, Seriosity used a team of a half-dozen veteran players, with more than 50,000 hours of cumulative experience, to observe and record the actions of leaders in this rarefied setting. The eight-month study also included interviews with more than a dozen prominent gamers about their leadership endeavors in this arena. A follow-up survey at IBM of people with both gaming and business leadership experience helped validate some of our findings and suggested how they might be translated to fit real-world corporate contexts.
A number of our conclusions about the future of business leadership were unanticipated. For one, individuals you’d never expect to identify—and who’d never expect to be identified—as “high potentials” for real-world management training end up taking on significant leadership roles in games. Even more provocative was our finding that successful leadership in online games has less to do with the attributes of individual leaders than with the game environment, as created by the developer and enhanced by the gamers themselves. Furthermore, some characteristics of that environment—for example, immediate compensation for successful completion of a project with nonmonetary incentives, such as points for commitment and game performance—represent more than mere foreshadowing of how leadership might evolve.
idav
Aug 20 2008, 06:53 PM
Well of course, it is a MMORPG, I think Lindy's point was there is only so much anyone can do without leaving their house. Like going to college for example!
Chris T
Aug 21 2008, 06:52 PM
I do actually know a guy who got completely addicted to a MMORPG. Like seriously badly.
Basically when he went into his room he was a normal maths student, doing well in his studies, with a girlfriend, a job, a fairly healthy body, and a kid. He emerged a month later. He was undernourished, looked like sunlight might kill him, had lost his girlfriend and his job, been kicked out of uni, hadn't seen his kid in weeks and his housemates had long assumed he'd gone back home.
He now works as a manager in a supermarket. Winners don't play MMOs.
Josh Harris
Aug 21 2008, 07:08 PM
QUOTE (Chris T @ Aug 21 2008, 02:52 PM)

I do actually know a guy who got completely addicted to a MMORPG. Like seriously badly.
Basically when he went into his room he was a normal maths student, doing well in his studies, with a girlfriend, a job, a fairly healthy body, and a kid. He emerged a month later. He was undernourished, looked like sunlight might kill him, had lost his girlfriend and his job, been kicked out of uni, hadn't seen his kid in weeks and his housemates had long assumed he'd gone back home.
He now works as a manager in a supermarket. Winners don't play MMOs.
It depends on the person.
I have 5 level 70 characters now, something I'm not particularly "proud" of, but I don't consider myself a non-winner ... "loser" if you will.
2 of my characters have around 100 days played time, probably more, put together with each after that having around 10 - 20 days. It's a past time/hobby for me and something I enjoy doing, of course. Some people don't realize, until it's too late, that they've lost touch with friends and family. I know someone who, somewhat, chose the game over his real life friends because they "didn't play on the same server".
Chris T
Aug 21 2008, 07:13 PM
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's the norm. Quite the opposite. He's a scary extreme.
idav
Aug 21 2008, 07:26 PM
That's nearly a year of your life you've spent playing
a video game,
loser Josh.

I only keed!
Josh Harris
Aug 21 2008, 07:45 PM
QUOTE (Chris T @ Aug 21 2008, 03:13 PM)

Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying he's the norm. Quite the opposite. He's a scary extreme.
Ah ok. Gotcha.
QUOTE (idav @ Aug 21 2008, 03:26 PM)

That's nearly a year of your life you've spent playing
a video game,
loser Josh.

I only keed!
I know there's people that have more played time than I do, and more max level chars, but it's like having a guinness world record for like longest finger nails or something. lol
Saviah Wildlife
Aug 21 2008, 08:22 PM
For awhile with Lineage I guess Koreans actually would have real fights due to the game. I don't recall for sure but I think I heard something about murder too... now that's beyond addiction.
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