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Stephen
I'm sure we have all heard of cases where children have been taken away from their families and brushed it off as due to a one off over zealous social worker, assuming the error would be resolved and the child returned.

I have a friend who this very situation is happening to, and it seems from research that it is far from rare. My friend, his son, his parents and his wife moved to French last April, a few months ago he found out that his wife was hurting the child and immediately packed her stuff, bought her a ticket back to England and kicked her out (which quite frankly is restrained if you ask me).

He took photos of the child and took them to the French police who immediately put out a restraining order on the mother to prevent her contacting the child. Back in England she of course started a custody fight. Given that they live in France and that the child is a dual citizen, attends French school and that the abuse happened in France, one would assume that the matter falls under French jurisdiction; well the English courts don't think so and threw out any evidence that related to France. They arranged for social workers to visit (but instructed them that evidence given by the teachers, doctor etc were not relevant) and ordered that the father and his family pay for the mother to visit France for 2 weeks to see the child, but they would not provide a member of social services to monitor the mother, that was down to him (do you think they'd actually believe him if he reported that she had done anything?). They also ordered that he took the child back to England to visit the mother for a week.

Between this time and social services coming to France it emerged that if he had returned to England his passport was going to be confiscated and the child would be placed in care, so his lawyer and the French authorities told him not to return and the mother refused to visit him in France. When the social worker visited she agreed that the child was happy and well looked after, and reported that she believed that the mother was definitely abusing the child in part due to the way he reacted when talking on the phone to her.

The mother also made allegations that it was the grandmother who had harmed the child, but after the courts warned her that she could be sued for libel if she was lying she suddenly changed her mind. It is a good job the grandmother gave up teaching before they moved to France, otherwise her career would have been seriously damaged.

Well a few days ago the cafcass presented their findings to the courts, their recommendation, that the child should be returned to the mother. Straight away my friend was warned that this sounds like a text book case of new labour's forced adoption policy, when the child is returned to the mother he will be taken into care and put up for adoption and they will then attempt to charge the mother for the original crime.

Research reveals hundreds of such cases and many British families who have gone into hiding in Europe to escape this.

Family Court is top secret, anyone revealing what happens in court is charged, so the media can not report on it.

Just do a quick search for Forced Adoption and you will find hundreds of stories of families that have been utterly destroyed by new labour, cafcass and social services. The local authorities actually get money for children who are adopted (well until a few months ago), apparently £50,000 for an under 2 year old and £25,000 for a child under 5; in 2005 Essex got £2,469,200, Hampshire got £1,675,619 and Kent got £2,156,583.


I find it shocking, and absolutely disgusting that such a thing could happen once in 21st Britain, yet alone often. But more than that, I am angry, angry that such a thing could happen in this country, angry that innocent families can be destroyed by a welfare system whose only concern is meeting targets, angry that secret courts operate, angry that such a draconian system exists, angry that our so called free press barely dare report on them due to fear of threats from the law and angry that when they do take the risk it is only when the system has acted unfairly toward the mother.
idav
Bureaucracy at it's worst.

Forced Adoption policy? That has a quite a bad ring to it.
Stephen
They call it the Children's Act 2004.

Here is a (not very pleasure looking) site http://www.forced-adoption.com/
idav
That sounds American as hell. Have we started to export Stupidity? Is that why our Economy rebounded 3.5%?
Stephen
New Labour, especially the Blair's, love America, you wouldn't have a fight to export it they are more than happy to import it wink.gif If America does something it must be right.

From the mouth of the man himself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xbKFlawOk even worse, a mother who had been told she would lose her child 3 months before it was even born http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyaYjQrxYg
idav
Wow that movie is pretty horrifying. The scary thing is that the idea does have some appeal but when you consider the logistics of it, a government organization overseeing it. It's absolutely absurd and impossible. Quit a fascist undertaking.
Matt Marshall
That's absolutely absurd - I think that the person you speak of is currently in one of the worst situations I could actually imagine. The courts in this country need to be open to all crimes if you ask me, it's only the media who can bring a balance to some legislation in this country (whether that is right or wrong). Of course, peoples privacy rights should also be respected somewhat.
Quillz
Every day the ideas suggested in "V For Vendetta" make more and more sense. I honestly believe that most of the world's most powerful countries all need a revolution or two. I think that society eventually grows too bloated and too corrupt for its own good.

There is a historian (his name escapes me at the moment) who has a theory that every 100 years or so, society ultimately brings about its own downfall and they start over. Can't remember the name of the theory, but I do hope it comes true.
idav
Here! Here! Quillz!
whitetigergrowl
I blame the general public and it's general unwillingness to do anything unless they feel it affects them directly. And even then they still need to be pushed. By then it's usually too late though and they'll blame everyone but themselves of course. The world as a whole is going to heck in a handbasket and we're on the rocket train with them. pinch.gif
Michael Merritt
I don't get how this makes sense at all. Take the child away from the father as if returning it to the mother, put it up for adoption, and then charge the mother, anyway?

That's makes little sense at all. How does taking the child away from the caring parent possibly to never see them again make sense?

Seems like the government needs to be charged with child abuse. Can't even imagine the mental effect this policy could create on a child.
W13
Due to this, and many other bureaucratic restrictions and problems, I don't think I'll be living here in the West much longer. I'll probably move to some place in Asia where you at least have your freedoms and rights.
whitetigergrowl
QUOTE (W13 @ Sep 4 2008, 10:18 AM) *
Due to this, and many other bureaucratic restrictions and problems, I don't think I'll be living here in the West much longer. I'll probably move to some place in Asia where you at least have your freedoms and rights.


Who told you that? Remember that when you try using google to look up recent events. lol Freedom and rights are a relative thing no matter where you go.

I don't know how you think it's better in Asia.
bfarber
I suspect he was being sarcastic. tongue.gif
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